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Hello! I recently directed someone to your page as they mentioned people could be catholic and pro-life, and I thought your page was a perfect example of that, anyways, I recently got a reply on that post by someone who is pro-life and I suppose Catholic as well, pretty much saying that there is in no way that one can be "Catholic and pro-choice". I don't know much about religion, so I thought I would ask you about what I could say, I mean clearly you can be Catholic and pro-choice, I just (1/2)
(continued) am not sure about how to go about giving a rebuttal to them, or if I should just ignore them? Anyways, thank you for running this blog, I know I myself am not Catholic, or religious for that matter, but I know people can utilize this blog and I know they appreciate it so much. It’s always nice to see representation of all people, no matter their religion or culture, so thank you for being awesome and kind and supportive to those who need it! (2/2) - Paige
Hi Paige, thanks so much for your message! So, responding to people who say things like, “you can’t be Catholic and pro-choice” is kind of tricky, considering that there’s so much that goes into both issues. I’m going to refer you to some nifty resources that Catholics for Choice recently sent me that you can give out to your followers/pro-life anons:
I hope this helps, and thanks again for your support!
Recently, I talked with Catholics for Choice about reproductive rights activism. They sent me some information on the state of contraception and abortion among American Catholics. Just how many Catholics in the U.S. use birth control or support legal abortion? Check out some of these statistics:
- 83 percent of sexually active Catholic women use a form of contraception that’s not approved by the Vatican.
- Fewer than 2 percent of sexually active Catholic women use a birth control method that’s approved by the Vatican.
- 69 percent of Catholic women have used the birth control pill, while nearly 90 percent have used condoms.
- In 2009, 63 percent of Catholics believed heath insurance plans should cover birth control.
- Nearly 70 percent of Catholics believe they don’t have a moral obligation to vote against a pro-choice political candidate.
- Almost 60 percent of Catholics support legal abortion in most cases, while 50 percent believe it should always be a decision made between a woman and her doctor.
- Nearly 90 percent of Catholics think abortion should be legal when a woman’s life is endangered, while more than 70 percent believe it should be legal when a pregnancy will cause long-term health risks and complications for the woman.
(source: Catholics for Choice, The Facts Tell the Story: Catholics and Choice)
Okay so I'm a catholic and I'm prolife. But about your post about the "antis",I am truly sorry for that. I've prayed outside of a clinic before with my youth group but we do it after hours when no one is there and I've done it on the days when the clinic is open but when we stand outside of the clinics we stand in silence and pray. We don't yell or scream or judge people or attack them. I just wanted to let you know that not all of the "antis" do that.
Look, I appreciate you taking the time to send me this message and what you were trying to say or do by doing so, and I hope you don’t take this the wrong way.
But I don’t really care if not all antis do what I encounter every weekend. Because enough of them do. And enough of them stay silent about it. And even if you are just standing outside the clinic praying - you do not need to be there.
You do not need to be anywhere around the clinic. You do not need to be at the clinic during operating hours ever. You do not need to be standing outside the clinic praying while people seek a medical procedure that has nothing to do with you. God is omnipresent, right? So he’ll probably hear your prayers from not an abortion clinic parking lot. And so your goals will still be met without having to unnerve people trying to access medical care if you don’t pray outside of an abortion clinic. God is great like that, right?
So if that’s the case, you have no business being there unless you hope in some way that your prayers or your presence will unnerve someone so much that they will not go into the clinic or will somehow be dissuaded from their decision - not for any reason that is actually relevant to their situation or that makes any changes to it, but simply because they were fearful, nervous, anxious, or simply wanted to freaking privacy (which all medical procedures and patients are entitled to).
So you know, it may not seem “that bad” to just go to an abortion clinic and pray or whatever, but I don’t care. You still don’t need to be there. It’s still pointless. It still doesn’t do anything to improve maternal health outcomes so that pregnant people who desperately want their pregnancies can carry them to term safely and deliver healthy babies. It still doesn’t do anything to end the poverty which leads pregnant people to seek abortions in the first place. It still doesn’t do anything to create universal childcare for pregnant people who can’t take care of multiple children.
The only thing it does do is continue to violate the privacy of my patients and make them uncomfortable as they walk into an already emotional (for many) and difficult situation.
So again, I appreciate you apologizing for the more awful members of your movement, I really do, just don’t really care if what you describe doing instead is not “that bad”. None of it should be happening, because people should be able to access clinics without having to walk through crowds of people who can possibly identify them, etc. etc. etc.
Yet by the first half of the 20th century, change seemed to be in the air. In 1930, Pius XII issued the encyclical (papal letter) Casti Connubii (“on chaste wedlock”), which acknowledged that couples could seek pleasure in their sexual relations, so long as the act was still linked to procreation. Then, in 1966, Paul VI’s birth control commission presented its preliminary report to the pope. It held big news: The body had overwhelmingly voted to recommend lifting the prohibition on contraceptives. (The former Archbishop of Brussels, Cardinal Leo Suenens, went so far as to say the church needed to confront reality and avoid another “Galileo case.”)
Catholics rejoiced, and many began using the pill at once. But their hopes were dashed when, in July 1968, Paul VI released an encyclical titled Humanae Vitae (“on human life”), reaffirming the contraceptive ban. It turned out that three dissenting bishops on the commission had privately gone to plead with the pope: If the position on contraceptives was changed, they said, the teaching authority of the church would be questioned—the faithful could no longer trust the hierarchy.
Ironically, it was the prohibition on contraception that would help erode the church’s power with European and American Catholics. Laypeople overwhelmingly disregarded it, and bishops throughout Europe undermined it with statements reassuring couples to “follow their consciences.” American bishops were more circumspect, but a survey of Catholic priests in the early ’70s showed that about 60 percent of them believed the prohibition was wrong. Father Andrew Greeley, a noted sociologist, traces the decline in church membership and even vocations to the priesthood in the mid-1970s to Catholics’ disillusionment with the church’s integrity on birth control."
If you are looking through google for information on the wonderful invention known as Plan B, Emergency contraception or the Morning After Pill-
avoid Morningafterpill.org, which comes up on page 1 of ‘morning after pill’ searches
It is a actually a Anti-Abortion, Anti-Contraception site meant to shame women into thinking they are ending human life by using any method of emergency birth control. It is run by Catholics and gives an EXCESSIVE amount of misinformation about Plan B, going as far as to inform women they are Killing their child and this is simply not true.
Need a reputable site for Emergency Contraception info?
My Favorites currently are:
- Emergency Contraception - Princeton University Site
- Planned Parenthood - The Morning After Pill
- Emergency Contraception - Women’s Health
Please feel free to add your favorites!
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