dosed-by-you:
psychosissunshine:
Normally, I don’t want to talk about this subject. Everybody either already has an opinion about it, is really uncomfortable about talking about it, or is unsure of how they feel about it. But, I feel that I must make my personal feelings about it now, after reading some…
glitter-femin1sts:
i’m sorry, but as much as you try to dispute it, you can’t be a pro-life feminist. if you’re going to value a fetus (IT IS A FETUS. MY DAD’S A DOCTOR. THE MEDICAL TERM IS FETUS.) over a an autonomous uterus-bearing person, then that’s not feminism. The pro-life ideal reduces women to just incubators, and fetuses to some holy being. that’s not feminism.
and yes, some women DO choose to have an abortion even if they haven’t been raped or victims of incest. they have that choice. you act like you know every woman’s reason for abortion. some women have an abortion because they can’t afford a child, or it’s not the right time or place for one. (and don’t come back at me with that “well then they should have closed their legs”, because that’s slut shaming and as i’ve repeatedly said before, consent to sex =/= consent to having a child.) and it shouldn’t be anyone’s business but her own.
and don’t say it’s like “killing your baby.” it’s nothing like that. at all.
Susan B. Anthony was one of the first feminists, and against abortion (“When a woman destroys the life of her unborn child, it is a sign that, by education or circumstances, she has been greatly wronged.” - Susan B. Anthony). There were plenty more. So your argument on what a feminist should or shouldn’t believe is invalid and helps destroy the idea of feminism. Psychosissunshine’s point looked like she was saying there is no wrong way to be a feminist. However, it’s wrong to say a feminist is not a feminist simply because they do not support ending another person’s life.
The medical term is indeed “fetus”, but psychosissunshine was saying there are many people who believe fetus =/= human. Many people even try to dismiss the preborn being as a “blob of tissue” or a parasite (these same people aren’t virologists, and sadly/clearly have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about).
Since women will typically get an abortion on the 10th week after conception, I’ve provided a breakdown of fetal development before the 10th week - plenty happens by day 52.
Unborn women don’t have many voices sticking up for their right to life. As much as you try to dispute it, abortion is murder. It’s literally ending a life. Every new life begins at conception. The pro-life movement doesn’t view women as incubators, that’s an ignorant assumption. It’s just as ignorant as claiming the pro-life movement views fetuses as “holy” beings, as well as assuming psychosissunshine would snap back with the retort “well then they should have closed their legs”. I didn’t read any “slut-shaming” in her post. When you consent to anything, as long as you know what your choice brings - you consent to what may happen next. Whether that’s having sex and becoming pregnant, or having an abortion and suffering a physical ailment (or even death - and that isn’t the only case. Feel free to Google more).
You have the ability to murder another being - however, you’re not free from the consequences. A woman’s health, and her own life, is at risk when she chooses to end her preborn child’s life. Of course, we don’t hear about it often, because quite a number of people still want abortion to be kept legal. But when you hear about a pregnant woman being killed, the suspect is charged for a double homicide (remember this big story?); the death of a pregnant woman and her unborn child. Why can that happen while millions of children are aborted each day in the name of “choice”?
If you’re interested in viewing this from another perspective, I highly recommend the film 180, and Gianna Jensen (abortion survivor) giving her speech (pt 1, pt 2) on abortion and women’s rights. That is, if you’re actually open to hearing opposing viewpoints and not just pretending you did while still adamantly voicing your opinion.
Women deserve better, and they deserve to know that abortion (stated as a reflection that our society has failed to meet the needs of women, ie. practical resources and support) isn’t the only choice.
Thank God your mother chose life, right?
Sorry, but the feminism of 160 years ago is still relevant in this discussion…how? Does historical context mean nothing? Comparing the abortion debate of the 19th century to the abortion debate of the 21st century is deliberately misleading. First-wave feminists opposed abortion because they saw it as masculinizing women and devaluing motherhood. They were completely stuck in a gender-essentialist mindset, even as they fought for increased rights for women. They opposed abortion because in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, abortion was a much more dangerous procedure than it is now. First-wave feminism was racist and classist, and many believed that abortion represented the inferiority of working class women and prostitutes. They opposed it because they feared a reduced population of “desirables:” White, mid- to upper-class, Christian, able-bodied.
Many of Susan B. Anthony’s quotes have been misattributed to her or taken out of context, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case for other first-wave feminists. Abortion was not high on their list of priorities - suffrage, property rights, education, and empowerment in the family structure were their main concerns.
But, just to humor you, I do wonder how Anthony felt about forced childbearing:
I went to the home of another tenant, and there again was one room, and sitting around a pile of smoking-hot potatoes on the cold, wet ground - not a board or even a flag-stone for the floor - were six ragged, dirty children. Not a knife, fork, spoon or platter was to be seen. The man was out working for a farmer, his wife said, and the evidences were that “God” was about to add a No. 7 to her flock. What a dreadful creature their God must be to keep sending hungry mouths while he witholds the bread to fill them!
-Ida Husted Harper: The Life and Work of Susan B. Anthony: including public addresses, her own letters and many from her contemporaries during fifty years. Vol. 1
Embryos and fetuses have plenty of people sticking up for them:

-so we can do without the whole martyrdom shtick. As for the ending life = murder bit, does that apply to any ending of a life? Stepping on an ant? Killing a cow for food? Surprise! It doesn’t. Murder applies to legal persons, and embryos and fetuses are not legal persons.
Your ideas about consent are pretty fucking sick. Consent is an ongoing process - it can be given and taken away at any point. Consenting to one sex act does not in any case mean consent to another, nor does it mean consent to childbirth or consent to an untreated STD.
All your examples of deaths during abortion occurred during illegal abortions. I mean, Jesus, that’s the shit that happens when you make abortion illegal! Gosnell preyed on people who didn’t speak the language, didn’t understand our legal system, and didn’t know they were pregnant or have the resources to get an abortion earlier. That’s what happens when you put out misinformation and reduce access to safe abortion - butchers looking to make money are more than happy to take care of everyone. The other instances of death occurred during late-term abortions, which are more dangerous than earlier abortions. Most abortions take place during the first 9 weeks of pregnancy. Fewer than 12% take place after the first trimester, and only 1.5% occur after 21 weeks.

There are a lot of reasons people have later abortions, too, and most of the reasons have to do with added restrictions on abortion access. Fancy that! Turns out, making abortion harder to access doesn’t actually reduce the need for abortion! Who would’ve guessed?
Early, legal abortion is actually one of the safest surgical procedures in existence. Fewer than 0.3% of patients experience complications requiring hospitalization. There is no connection between abortion and breast cancer, or abortion and mental illness.
No matter what we do to improve things for women in this country, there will always be a need for abortions, simply because there will always be people who don’t want to be pregnant. Even if we eliminated poverty, all illness and health conditions, abuse, and rape, implemented comprehensive sex ed in all schools, and made contraception easily accessible, there would still be unwanted pregnancies.
Removing the safety net solves nothing. The goal of completely eliminating abortion is impossible, but we can reduce the occurrence of unwanted pregnancies by working towards that list.
Oh, and I do thank my mom for having me. I wouldn’t have existed if she had an abortion. I wouldn’t have existed, too, if my parents had had sex at a different time, or if the contraception had worked, or if she had miscarried. And that’s okay. I don’t let a personal existential crisis get in the way of other people’s rights.
(Source: ladylockhart)