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sorry but fetuses feel pain and most are actually alive durring an abortion. but thanks for ignoring the truth.
Science actually says you’re wrong, but thanks for ignoring the truth!
ye no that’s all biased information. but
i’ll just sit here and watch you support something that hurts women and the future generations to come. lol.
You realise JAMA stands for The Journal of the American Medical Association right?
You realise they are ACTUAL doctors presenting their ACTUAL finds and that I have provided numerous unbiased resources to you for all of your claims and all you have said in response was “WAAHHHH I’M NOT LISTENING” and then accused unbiased sources of being too biased because you don’t like that science and facts don’t actually agree with you and that this does not make you look reasonable, educated or mature right?
You can say ‘Oh, sorry, I guess I was wrong’ which would have made you look adult like and mature, but instead you haven’t bothered to consider that maybe, just maybe, you’re actually really incorrect and you’re failing miserably at the whole ‘facts’ thing that you insisted you had?
Present me an unbiased site then with ANY of your claims, about abortion causing psychological stress, about it ‘hurting’ about fetuses feeling pain, about any of your claims, support just one of your claims with actual, unbiased facts and I will take you a lot more seriously than I do now.
FYI any site with ‘life’ or ‘angel’ in it’s url has a clear an obvious bias, likewise if they use emotionally manipulative terms like ‘baby’ instead of fetus and ‘murder’ instead of abortion.
In the mean time I’ll be waiting here, watching you unable to back anything you have said thusfar up and make a complete fool of yourself.
You just ignored a scientific source because it was “biased” and then cited life news??? Is this real life?!
Prime example of prolife ‘research’ lmao - Rachel
I saw this late last night and was going to ask what they thought an unbiased source was. I didn’t think it would be this bad.
I need to go lie down.
Why is it that in fetal surgery anesthesia is provided for the child? Surgeries prior to the 30 week landmark. I would be more than happy to talk to my professors and recommend some books that would show you that but it wouldn't matter because you'll dismiss anything I say. I'm not trying to shove anything down anyone's throat (if that's what you think). Probably in my naivety I thought I could change something but that's clearly not going to happen. People are entitled to their own beliefs.
If you can provide evidence that the ACOG, RCOG, and AMA haven’t already addressed, or reasons they should have looked at it differently, I would sincerely love to read it. If you’ve been following my blog since 2011, you’d know that I enjoy reading and attempting to interpret studies. I completed two semester-long research projects on music for pain relief and music during childbirth, so I have some background knowledge, in addition to my extracurricular research, that I’d be happy to share.
It’s worth noting that only 1.2% of abortions (don’t you just love citations?) are performed after conservative pro-lifers’ proposed gestational threshold for fetal pain, and are generally performed because of severe fetal abnormalities, fetal death, or a threat to the life or health of the pregnant person. Fetal anesthesia can also be administered at that point. Since my StatCounter tells me you haven’t already, I’d also recommend exploring my #fetal pain tag for a better understanding of those laws and their impact on patients and doctors’ ability to do their jobs.
I’d like to stop cluttering up my followers’ dashboards with this fragmented question/answer format, so if you want to continue the discussion, please just submit whatever you’d like, and we can keep it to one post and reblogs. Thanks.
Reminder that there is no scientific evidence to prove fetal pain exists at 20 weeks. Even the scientists behind the studies used by pro-lifers to push this argument have said their work has been misinterpreted and misused.
American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists: Statement on HR 3803 (fetal pain unlikely before third trimester)
Fabrizi et al. (2011). A shift in sensory processing that enables the developing human brain to discriminate touch from pain. Current Biology, 21(18), 1552-1558. (fetal pain at 35-37 weeks)
Lee et al. (2005). Fetal Pain: A Systematic Multidisciplinary Review of the Evidence. Journal of the American Medical Association, 294(8), 947-954. (fetal pain at 29-30 weeks)
Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists updates its guidance (fetal pain after 24 weeks)
I had to pull another quote from the same article because it’s just so good. Go read it. Do it.
Imagine someone making your heart stop, then sucking out your brain so your skull can collapse, so it will be easier for them to cut off your head, pull you out of a small space then proceed to cut you up into little pieces, sticking you in the freezer for a week and then proceed to dispose of you like your waste and not a living creature.
Remember you can feel it all until your brain gets sucked out of your head.
Imagine understanding that, not only do fetuses not feel pain before 24 weeks (possibly even 37 weeks), it would be impossible for them to continue to feel pain after their heart stopped and they died. Pain perception is a very complicated topic in neuroscience, because the way we perceive pain is not simply stimulus —> perception; it includes developmental, psychological, emotional, genetic, and physiological factors, as well as our past experiences with pain. Assuming fetuses perceive pain the way children and adults do is an immense leap.
You’ve described one of the rarer abortion procedures, known as dilation and evacuation (D&E, different from intact D&E, aka partial birth abortion), and only performed in the second trimester. Twelve percent of abortions occur after 12 weeks, and only 1.5% even come close to the point when a fetus may be able to perceive pain:
So, if we’re going to pretend this is a realistic scenario, here is how it would happen:
Imagine learning that the baby you’ve been anxiously awaiting for is diagnosed with multiple fetal anomalies. Imagine learning that they will not survive long past birth, if at all, and that their short life will be filled with nothing but pain and confusion, or in a vegetative state. Imagine knowing you could never afford the interventions necessary to keep your child alive and in as little pain as possible, nor can you afford the time you yourself would have to commit to their care, knowing all the while they will die before they reach puberty. Imagine the pain and anguish you, as a parent, will experience while deciding what is kindest for your child and your family.
This is what late term abortion is like.
Conservative politicians are willingly endangering their constituents over junk science and their personal religious beliefs.
I’m guessing its hard for people to understand why I’m so happy.
I will put is as my darling friend said on Facebook
“It’s the first time since 1973 that legislative action in either federal chamber has been taken to defend the unborn”
The first time on a national level
Oh man I’m so happy
So you’re happy that there is the potential for women* to start resorting to illegal abortions, which likely will lead to their physical injury and/or death? That’s nice.
Not even gonna bother with the general gist of the OP’s commentary, but can I did want to point out that this is just plain ol’ incorrect.
How soon people forget the federally passed legislation of the 2003 Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act.
I see the GOP is hard at work expanding their base to include…more old, white, Christian men? It cracks me up - in the saddest way possible - whenever they try to pay lip service to any other demographic group. They thought putting Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) would somehow negate the notion that women* can’t be trusted to make decisions about their bodies, lives, and families. It’s ridiculously transparent.
Anyway, the Senate is Democrat-controlled (not that they’re good for much these days), and the president has said he’ll veto it. We can always rely on Congress to waste our money and time!
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