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Pro-Choice and Pro-Voice

Posts tagged pro life

Apr 8 '14
priceofliberty:

bebinn:

Um. WHAT.
Supreme Court Justice Scalia’s wife is on the board of a crisis pregnancy center, a name for organizations that use lies, manipulation, and delay tactics to prevent people from getting an abortion. Their page on the risks of abortion is full of junk science, decades-old studies, and logical leaps, and their resources for pregnant women are virtually all deceptive crisis pregnancy centers.
No wonder Scalia defends anti-abortion harassment masking itself as “sidewalk counseling.” The Supreme Court is currently hearing a case on buffer zones outside abortion clinics, which would keep protestors a respectful (and safe) distance from patients and staff. Justice Scalia is clearly biased and should recuse himself from the case. This is ridiculous.

There really isn’t any precedent for a Justice to recuse him or herself due to the affiliations of their spouse. Even when people were calling for Justices Thomas (in particular) and Kagan to recuse themselves in 2011 from the Affordable Care Act litigation;

The reasons for the suggested recusals are well known. Thomas’ wife spent significant time and effort, and earned a great deal of money, lobbying against the act. Kagan was the solicitor general of the United States when the act was enacted, celebrated its passage over email with professor Laurence Tribe of Harvard Law School (at the time a legal advisor to the Obama administration) and was aware that her office was involved in the litigation strategy defending the law.

It certainly calls any decision Scalia makes into question, but it would be prudent of us to keep in mind that the Justices of the Supreme Court are supposedly the best and brightest in their field. It would be unwise of Scalia not to publicly dispel any questions pertaining to his objectivity, but it would not be unfounded.

If you look at his comments on the case so far, it’s pretty clear he’s either ignorant of or disinterested in what anti-abortion protestors really get up to outside abortion clinics, most likely based on what he knows from his wife’s work. Protestors often call themselves “sidewalk counselors" to justify following patients and staff up and down sidewalks, and Scalia agrees with their misrepresentation:

"I object to you calling these people protesters, which you’ve been doing here during the whole presentation. That is not how they present themselves. They do not say they want to make protests. They say they want to talk quietly to the women who are going into these facilities. Now how does that make them protesters?"
-sherights.com
This “is a counseling case, not a protest case,” Scalia insisted. “You could have a law against screaming…These people want to speak quietly in a friendly manner.”
-LA Times

Quietly praying or standing in place and handing out propaganda is not the issue in this case, though the plaintiffs are doing their best to frame it that way (the lead plaintiff purposely described herself as a plump, grandmotherly figure). As far as we know, Scalia thinks these are the only people that would be affected by a buffer zone, and isn’t considering the daily screaming, stalking, verbal abuse and recording of patients entering facilities across the country, often supported by organizations such as his wife’s.
A 2013 survey by the National Abortion Federation, the professional association of abortion providers, found that 51% of clinics with buffer zones reported a decrease in criminal activity, and 75% reported easier access to clinics for patients and staff. Because of the pure chaos outside so many abortion clinics, many providers make use of volunteer clinic escorts, who help patients safely navigate crowds of protestors. The earliest buffer zones were enacted because of clinic shootings and bombings.
It’s obvious to anyone who has encountered anti-abortion protestors or read about their activities that this is a serious problem in the United States, and one that buffer zones attempt to address. That Scalia is focusing on the least violent and intimidating group shows that he either doesn’t understand or take this issue seriously, and it’s not a stretch to assume that has something to do with his wife’s board position on an anti-abortion organization.

priceofliberty:

bebinn:

Um. WHAT.

Supreme Court Justice Scalia’s wife is on the board of a crisis pregnancy center, a name for organizations that use lies, manipulation, and delay tactics to prevent people from getting an abortion. Their page on the risks of abortion is full of junk science, decades-old studies, and logical leaps, and their resources for pregnant women are virtually all deceptive crisis pregnancy centers.

No wonder Scalia defends anti-abortion harassment masking itself as “sidewalk counseling.” The Supreme Court is currently hearing a case on buffer zones outside abortion clinics, which would keep protestors a respectful (and safe) distance from patients and staff. Justice Scalia is clearly biased and should recuse himself from the case. This is ridiculous.

There really isn’t any precedent for a Justice to recuse him or herself due to the affiliations of their spouse. Even when people were calling for Justices Thomas (in particular) and Kagan to recuse themselves in 2011 from the Affordable Care Act litigation;

The reasons for the suggested recusals are well known. Thomas’ wife spent significant time and effort, and earned a great deal of money, lobbying against the act. Kagan was the solicitor general of the United States when the act was enacted, celebrated its passage over email with professor Laurence Tribe of Harvard Law School (at the time a legal advisor to the Obama administration) and was aware that her office was involved in the litigation strategy defending the law.

It certainly calls any decision Scalia makes into question, but it would be prudent of us to keep in mind that the Justices of the Supreme Court are supposedly the best and brightest in their field. It would be unwise of Scalia not to publicly dispel any questions pertaining to his objectivity, but it would not be unfounded.

If you look at his comments on the case so far, it’s pretty clear he’s either ignorant of or disinterested in what anti-abortion protestors really get up to outside abortion clinics, most likely based on what he knows from his wife’s work. Protestors often call themselves “sidewalk counselors" to justify following patients and staff up and down sidewalks, and Scalia agrees with their misrepresentation:

"I object to you calling these people protesters, which you’ve been doing here during the whole presentation. That is not how they present themselves. They do not say they want to make protests. They say they want to talk quietly to the women who are going into these facilities. Now how does that make them protesters?"

-sherights.com

This “is a counseling case, not a protest case,” Scalia insisted. “You could have a law against screaming…These people want to speak quietly in a friendly manner.”

-LA Times

Quietly praying or standing in place and handing out propaganda is not the issue in this case, though the plaintiffs are doing their best to frame it that way (the lead plaintiff purposely described herself as a plump, grandmotherly figure). As far as we know, Scalia thinks these are the only people that would be affected by a buffer zone, and isn’t considering the daily screaming, stalking, verbal abuse and recording of patients entering facilities across the country, often supported by organizations such as his wife’s.

A 2013 survey by the National Abortion Federation, the professional association of abortion providers, found that 51% of clinics with buffer zones reported a decrease in criminal activity, and 75% reported easier access to clinics for patients and staff. Because of the pure chaos outside so many abortion clinics, many providers make use of volunteer clinic escorts, who help patients safely navigate crowds of protestors. The earliest buffer zones were enacted because of clinic shootings and bombings.

It’s obvious to anyone who has encountered anti-abortion protestors or read about their activities that this is a serious problem in the United States, and one that buffer zones attempt to address. That Scalia is focusing on the least violent and intimidating group shows that he either doesn’t understand or take this issue seriously, and it’s not a stretch to assume that has something to do with his wife’s board position on an anti-abortion organization.

Apr 8 '14

IT’S OFFICIAL. I AM TERRIFIED OF PRO-ABORTIONISTS.

pro-choice-or-no-voice:

fearless-stormclaw:

If you don’t believe in the sanctity of life or in the right to life (I mean, c’mon people, it’s in the fucking Declaration of Independence, for Chuck’s sake), I don’t want to be anywhere near you. Like I don’t even want to be on the same planet as you because that there is verging on psychopathic mass murderer talk.

I believe everyone has the right to their own body, and the right to choose their own reproductive paths. Comparing abortion to murder makes you a pretty scummy person, and in all honestly, if there was a way for all pro-lifers to leave this planet to live elsewhere, I’d PAY for your ticket on board. 
-Emily. 

Awfully hyperbolic for someone whose movement has shot to death 8 people and now holds the murderers up as martyrs, bombed or set fire to over 200 buildings, knowingly lies and emotionally manipulates people coming to them for help, eliminates access to general and reproductive health care for families across the country, and screams bloody murder at patients trying to get abortions, birth control, miscarriage management, or general health care.

Projection’s a sneaky thing.

Apr 6 '14
I found out yesterday that my aunt volunteers at a CPC in our city. It was really hard not to say something!

I definitely think there are ways of talking about it without starting a full-blown fight, but it’s difficult. Crisis pregnancy center volunteers think they’re doing good work - and much of what they do can be good work - so challenging the harmful parts may just seem like a mean-spirited attack.

If someone in my life worked at a CPC, I’d want to find out how that center practices. What information do they provide? What services do they offer? What’s their response to someone seeking an abortion or birth control? While the majority of CPCs are deceptive and manipulative (this is according to multiple investigations by the government and independent organizations), not all of them are, and there’s no need to confront centers that simply don’t provide the full range of reproductive care. Centers that provide honest, nonjudgmental services play an important role in supporting reproductive choice.

Anyway. That’s probably not the case.

I’ve never had an encounter like this, so I don’t know what would really work to get people thinking. If they answer those questions the way I expect, I’d probably respond with, “That’s not true, though!” or “That seems kind of manipulative/dishonest.” It’s not that I want to win an argument, but that I’m genuinely concerned about the effects their practices may have on the people that visit them, their reasons for lying about abortion or birth control, and where they get their information.

Anyone who truly cares about the people they want to help would be concerned about this too, and be open to constructive criticism and suggestions for improving their work. If not, the truth is, there’s no reaching people who don’t really care.

Hope you don’t mind I used your response as a jumping-off point!

Apr 6 '14
rcsolstice:

Wouldn’t want kids growing up knowing that fetuses don’t have right over their bodies now would we? Gotta brainwash them early 

They’re basically saying that if you don’t drill your dogma into them from infancy, they might observe the reality of the world and people around them, think critically and empathetically, and come to their own conclusions.
Sounds about right.

rcsolstice:

Wouldn’t want kids growing up knowing that fetuses don’t have right over their bodies now would we? Gotta brainwash them early 

They’re basically saying that if you don’t drill your dogma into them from infancy, they might observe the reality of the world and people around them, think critically and empathetically, and come to their own conclusions.

Sounds about right.

(Source: faithful-in-christ)

Apr 2 '14

odetomyday:

NCSU students form a barrier around Abortion No’s graphic and triggering signs

What a great way to have your say and show respect and care for your fellow students. Does anyone remember this?

Angel Action helps counter-protestors protect others from the Westboro Baptist Church at funerals and court appearances, standing silently, sometimes carrying supportive signs, and wearing 10-foot wings to block the posters and hateful messages. Their website has instructions for making the wings.

That’s what this counter-protest reminds me of.

Apr 1 '14
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Perhaps you were not aware. Perhaps you have driven through the downtown area and seen signs but not stopped your car to hear the screaming or watched as patients and companions were chased to and from their cars. Perhaps you identify as “pro-life” and are uncomfortable facing the extremist behavior in your midst.

Today, I ask you not to look away. Today, I ask you to stand with me.

"

Open Letter to Legislators from a Clinic Escort

This call to action is not radical or unprecedented. I’m not asking anyone to be arrested for having an opinion. No one has to shut up or sit down - just step aside. A reasonable distance could be 8 feet or could be across the street - just far enough for a patient’s individual health care needs and life choices not to be twisted into a political display or shaming exercise.

Anti-abortion protestors threaten the health and safety of patients and clinic employees. Following #ProtectTheZone every Saturday morning will show the “pro-life” violence and intimidation so many activists would prefer to ignore. You can also look through my #harassment, #terrorism, and #but we’re not ALL like that tags for why buffer zones are so important.

Don’t wait until it’s too late. Don’t wait for another Zachary Klundt, Paul Hill, or Bobby Joe Rogers. Contact your legislators today and ask them to stand up for their constituents’ health, safety, and dignity.

Mar 30 '14

arw3n-leavinscars replied to your post: anonymous asked:It was summer of …

wait but how did they even think you were anti-choice

I don’t know. I am truly, genuinely sorry if that anon feels misled or betrayed; I know I would be upset if I mistakenly asked someone who was anti-abortion for advice. But I have never once represented myself or this blog as anything but staunchly pro-choice and, more recently, pro-voice.

This blog exists for everyone, regardless of political or moral views. I’ve put a ridiculous amount of time and energy into this blog for the past 2 1/2 years because I wanted it to be a single place where people could find up-to-date, easy-to-understand information on politics, science, rhetoric, and activism, instead of having to scramble all over the internet trying to understand an issue. And because I love it.

So yes, I get prickly and rude sometimes (much less often than when I started), but my purpose is to educate and empower. People who want advice on supporting someone through or after a reproductive choice, people who need resources, people who need help understanding something, people who want to know what they can do to help…that’s who I’m here for.

People who harass and terrorize and shame, expect me to accept junk science and baseless accusations, care more about their image than the harm they perpetuate, push or ascribe their beliefs to perfect strangers, and celebrate the erosion of human rights and health…not so much.

Mar 30 '14

thegracethatleadsmehome:

One of my friends shared with me today that she got an abortion last year.(We’re both in university)  It’s been over a year, and she still teared up and has regrets. She’s been in post-abortive counselling for 8 months and nearly dropped out of school because of the guilt and stress from it. I didn’t know what to say to her, except that it’s ok for her to love herself, remind her that God loves her, and that it’s ok if she forgives herself. I didn’t know what else to say-input anybody? I’m pro-life, but I didn’t want to condemn her in any sort of way, especially since I’m only the 2nd person she’s told. 

It’s so, so (so so so!) important and meaningful when people can put aside their personal beliefs or politics to support a friend. Some people go their whole lives without telling anyone, so being someone a person can safely confide in is incredibly meaningful.

Honestly? Listening. Listening without judgment, without assumptions, without answers - she will find her answers in time. Pro Voice Support Blog already replied to you, and she’s a counselor with Exhale, a post-abortion talkline that works under Pro Voice principles. You can find out more about that through their blog or Exhale’s website, and their counseling guide may be helpful for you.

Mar 30 '14

Anonymous asked:

I talked to you about 3 years ago, someone close to me wanted to have an abortion and I didn't know how to stop her. I thought you were pro life. What happened?

Whoever you talked to, it wasn’t me. This has been a pro-choice blog since I started it in spring 2011, and I definitely would never have advised someone to prevent their friend from having an abortion. That’s just creepy.

P.S. As evidenced by my last post (as well as the entire rest of my blog), being pro-choice is pro-life!

Mar 29 '14

Market Street abortion clinic protester has moment of clarity: “Am I an asshole?”

Saturday morning, outside the EMW abortion clinic on Market Street, longtime protester Robert Calloway came to a striking realization that he may, in fact, just be a giant asshole.

“I had just followed this young woman from her car all the way to the clinic door, calling her a slut murderer who was going to burn in hell for eternity,” said Calloway. “And then this thought suddenly came into my head like a bolt of lightning: Maybe the reason I’m doing this is not out of concern for a fetus, but just because I’m a total asshole who hates women?”

Read more

Mar 29 '14
bugchicklv:

[clipped for brevity - Bébinn]
Oh,God.  This brings back memories.  Painful ones.  Once a month I used to volunteer to escort for the Feminist Women’s Health Center and the Atlanta SurgiCenter…
…BEFORE Janet Reno and the RICO lawsuit made it illegal to use force,  threaten violence or physically obstruct someone from seeking an abortion.
When the overflow parking lot was across the street — and getting to the front door literally WAS like running the gauntlet. 
People would block the sidewalks by linking arms (and we would dodge and weave and duck through like in some demented game of Red Rover).
…would brutally shove color photographs of late term fetuses and other non-related medical waste in the faces of women who were already terrified, just to up the gore factor.
…would scream and shout and curse the service seekers with everlasting damnation and torture in the bowels of hell as they quoted biblical passages like “For the Wages of Sin is Death” and “Thou Shalt Not Kill!” (but forgot all about the ones attributable to a Jesus that taught love and forgiveness) (and WOW they did not like it when you could quote back their own trespasses against them)(which was fun if there was no one needing an escort).
…would push the limits of assault statutes by holding hands and circling themselves around to a woman to HERD them away from/out of sight of the clinic (so they could be ganged up on with religious dogma and preached at until they gave up, in tears…or we could “rescue” them).
…would WRITE DOWN the license plate numbers of the women who needed services and then staple shame!posters in their neighborhoods announcing private personal healthcare business.  I think this also happened to the employees of the clinic as well (I’m only guessing that they had a friend at the DMV, or maybe in the Police?  I wouldn’t have put it past more than one of the deputies in the Fulton County Sheriff’s department - not back then).
The ones that risked arrest - hell, downright invited it - would actually vandalize cars…or put their hands on someone trying to get by, usually pushing them back from the entrance but sometimes even restraining them.  My escort!buddy once regaled me with how this poor girl was physically carried all the way back to the nearest bus stop and preached at until MARTA arrived - shamed until she got on and there was nothing escort!buddy could do because he was alone at the time and the protestors were videotaping his actions. (Oh, and this girl actually came by car but her ride went for food after dropping her off.)
Oh, and yeah…I once had to call about half a dozen impound lots to find my FUCKING CAR because someone had an “in” with a towing company and had it removed from the premises while I was inside the clinic.
And this was in 1989, AFTER the DNC related anti-choice rallies that led to some 300+ arrests.
I can’t even imagine what hell it must have been in the Fall of 1988; how it went for the staff, or for those who volunteered more than once a month, prior to that.  It makes me so mad that I can’t help but cry every time I think about it.
My name is Michaelle.  I’m 44 years old and each January I make a solemn vow that, should Roe v. Wade ever be overturned or if limits on abortions become too restrictive (in the state I reside and all of the states bordering it), I WILL go back to school.  I WILL find a program that teaches abortion care - even if I have to do it in another country.  I would rather it be midwifery or even APRN but I’ll sacrifice myself to complete an OB program if necessary.  And I will surround myself with other like-minded and/or sympathetic medical professionals…and perform the “illegal” abortions my-fucking-self.  Because it’s THAT important.

Wow. WOW. Thank you SO much for writing this. I can’t even imagine clinic escorting before the FACE Act of 1994.
It amazes me when antis praise their own “good behavior” outside clinics these days, as if they don’t need fucking laws written about them to keep it that way. Like they wouldn’t go back to these tactics the minute those laws were overturned.

bugchicklv:

[clipped for brevity - Bébinn]

Oh,God.  This brings back memories.  Painful ones.  Once a month I used to volunteer to escort for the Feminist Women’s Health Center and the Atlanta SurgiCenter…

…BEFORE Janet Reno and the RICO lawsuit made it illegal to use force,  threaten violence or physically obstruct someone from seeking an abortion.

When the overflow parking lot was across the street — and getting to the front door literally WAS like running the gauntlet. 

People would block the sidewalks by linking arms (and we would dodge and weave and duck through like in some demented game of Red Rover).

…would brutally shove color photographs of late term fetuses and other non-related medical waste in the faces of women who were already terrified, just to up the gore factor.

…would scream and shout and curse the service seekers with everlasting damnation and torture in the bowels of hell as they quoted biblical passages like “For the Wages of Sin is Death” and “Thou Shalt Not Kill!” (but forgot all about the ones attributable to a Jesus that taught love and forgiveness) (and WOW they did not like it when you could quote back their own trespasses against them)(which was fun if there was no one needing an escort).

…would push the limits of assault statutes by holding hands and circling themselves around to a woman to HERD them away from/out of sight of the clinic (so they could be ganged up on with religious dogma and preached at until they gave up, in tears…or we could “rescue” them).

…would WRITE DOWN the license plate numbers of the women who needed services and then staple shame!posters in their neighborhoods announcing private personal healthcare business.  I think this also happened to the employees of the clinic as well (I’m only guessing that they had a friend at the DMV, or maybe in the Police?  I wouldn’t have put it past more than one of the deputies in the Fulton County Sheriff’s department - not back then).

The ones that risked arrest - hell, downright invited it - would actually vandalize cars…or put their hands on someone trying to get by, usually pushing them back from the entrance but sometimes even restraining them.  My escort!buddy once regaled me with how this poor girl was physically carried all the way back to the nearest bus stop and preached at until MARTA arrived - shamed until she got on and there was nothing escort!buddy could do because he was alone at the time and the protestors were videotaping his actions. (Oh, and this girl actually came by car but her ride went for food after dropping her off.)

Oh, and yeah…I once had to call about half a dozen impound lots to find my FUCKING CAR because someone had an “in” with a towing company and had it removed from the premises while I was inside the clinic.

And this was in 1989, AFTER the DNC related anti-choice rallies that led to some 300+ arrests.

I can’t even imagine what hell it must have been in the Fall of 1988; how it went for the staff, or for those who volunteered more than once a month, prior to that.  It makes me so mad that I can’t help but cry every time I think about it.

My name is Michaelle.  I’m 44 years old and each January I make a solemn vow that, should Roe v. Wade ever be overturned or if limits on abortions become too restrictive (in the state I reside and all of the states bordering it), I WILL go back to school.  I WILL find a program that teaches abortion care - even if I have to do it in another country.  I would rather it be midwifery or even APRN but I’ll sacrifice myself to complete an OB program if necessary.  And I will surround myself with other like-minded and/or sympathetic medical professionals…and perform the “illegal” abortions my-fucking-self.  Because it’s THAT important.

Wow. WOW. Thank you SO much for writing this. I can’t even imagine clinic escorting before the FACE Act of 1994.

It amazes me when antis praise their own “good behavior” outside clinics these days, as if they don’t need fucking laws written about them to keep it that way. Like they wouldn’t go back to these tactics the minute those laws were overturned.

Mar 29 '14

#ProtectTheZone is active every Saturday morning, when anti-abortion protestors can get especially nasty outside clinics. Volunteer clinic escorts help patients safely get through the crowd of protestors outside clinics. Some cities and states have buffer zones that keep protestors a few feet from the entrance, but many have no protections at all.

Mar 29 '14
Mar 27 '14

WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES (explosions, bodies, injured people, violent language, self-harm in later videos)

Soldiers in the Army of God [part 1/7]

For anyone keeping count, the number is now eight murders, and the most recent clinic violence was the complete destruction of Susan Cahill’s clinic in Montana.

"Anybody who raises a weapon up against these people who are slaughtering these babies, before God and the entire world right now, I say, ‘You are doing God’s own work.’" - Bob Lokey, Army of God recruiter and convicted murderer

"If God told me to kill, I would kill."

Mar 26 '14