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Pro-Choice and Pro-Voice

Posts tagged pro life

May 27 '14

flowerculture asked:

sorry but fetuses feel pain and most are actually alive durring an abortion. but thanks for ignoring the truth.

dongcle:

lolatprolife:

proudly-pro-choice:

china-clique:

oh-snap-pro-choice:

china-clique:

oh-snap-pro-choice:

Science actually says you’re wrong, but thanks for ignoring the truth!

-Lemon

ye no that’s all biased information. but
i’ll just sit here and watch you support something that hurts women and the future generations to come. lol.

You realise JAMA stands for The Journal of the American Medical Association right?

You realise they are ACTUAL doctors presenting their ACTUAL finds and that I have provided numerous unbiased resources to you for all of your claims and all you have said in response was “WAAHHHH I’M NOT LISTENING” and then accused unbiased sources of being too biased because you don’t like that science and facts don’t actually agree with you and that this does not make you look reasonable, educated or mature right?

You can say ‘Oh, sorry, I guess I was wrong’ which would have made you look adult like and mature, but instead you haven’t bothered to consider that maybe, just maybe, you’re actually really incorrect and you’re failing miserably at the whole ‘facts’ thing that you insisted you had?

Present me an unbiased site then with ANY of your claims, about abortion causing psychological stress, about it ‘hurting’ about fetuses feeling pain, about any of your claims, support just one of your claims with actual, unbiased facts and I will take you a lot more seriously than I do now.

FYI any site with ‘life’ or ‘angel’ in it’s url has a clear an obvious bias, likewise if they use emotionally manipulative terms like ‘baby’ instead of fetus and ‘murder’ instead of abortion.

In the mean time I’ll be waiting here, watching you unable to back anything you have said thusfar up and make a complete fool of yourself.

-Lemon

http://www.lifenews.com/2013/05/23/expert-tells-congress-unborn-babies-can-feel-pain-starting-at-8-weeks/

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You just ignored a scientific source because it was “biased” and then cited life news??? Is this real life?!

Prime example of prolife ‘research’ lmao - Rachel

LIFENEWS LMAO

I saw this late last night and was going to ask what they thought an unbiased source was. I didn’t think it would be this bad.

I need to go lie down.

May 26 '14
Why I perform abortions: A Christian obstetrician explains his choice

Q. Explain why limitations on abortion trouble you.
A. It forces women to take into account the sensibility of people who don’t have firsthand information about what the circumstances are in that woman’s life. It creates a duty and obligation for a woman to make her decision in a time frame acceptable to people other than herself. That time frame may or may not be realistic, and it fails to take into account the complexity of decision-making when it comes to abortion.
As people sit around, and theorize and debate about what should be a reasonable or common ground, the voices of the people who are most affected by this decision are lost. They aren’t represented in these dialogues. Their specific realities don’t count.
So conversations that feel like progress actually end up with restrictions in place on women in desperate circumstances. They don’t reduce unintended pregnancies, they don’t create more access to medically accurate sex education and modern forms of contraception — but they do result in restrictions and rules that push women to desperate measures.

Why I perform abortions: A Christian obstetrician explains his choice

Q. Explain why limitations on abortion trouble you.

A. It forces women to take into account the sensibility of people who don’t have firsthand information about what the circumstances are in that woman’s life. It creates a duty and obligation for a woman to make her decision in a time frame acceptable to people other than herself. That time frame may or may not be realistic, and it fails to take into account the complexity of decision-making when it comes to abortion.

As people sit around, and theorize and debate about what should be a reasonable or common ground, the voices of the people who are most affected by this decision are lost. They aren’t represented in these dialogues. Their specific realities don’t count.

So conversations that feel like progress actually end up with restrictions in place on women in desperate circumstances. They don’t reduce unintended pregnancies, they don’t create more access to medically accurate sex education and modern forms of contraception — but they do result in restrictions and rules that push women to desperate measures.

May 26 '14
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May 23 '14
May 22 '14

Proudly Pro-Choice by Ashley Stevick

May 22 '14
"People spend millions of dollars to make you feel bad," Taft explains. "And when you feel bad enough, you stay quiet…and then it looks like the only people who are speaking are the women who regret their abortions."
May 21 '14
by-grace-of-god:

Response from Britt to Matt Walsh’s article re: Emily Letts’ videotaped abortion.
My thoughts exactly.

It’s funny how pro-lifers only start feeling a disconnect once you put a woman’s face, instead of a disembodied uterus, to abortion.
If you absolutely must know what her abortion looked like, this is what a suction aspiration abortion looks like. Uterine lining (aka a period) and a microscopic embryo. Satisfied?

by-grace-of-god:

Response from Britt to Matt Walsh’s article re: Emily Letts’ videotaped abortion.

My thoughts exactly.

It’s funny how pro-lifers only start feeling a disconnect once you put a woman’s face, instead of a disembodied uterus, to abortion.

If you absolutely must know what her abortion looked like, this is what a suction aspiration abortion looks like. Uterine lining (aka a period) and a microscopic embryo. Satisfied?

May 20 '14
May 20 '14

Pro-Life Pro-Choice

datgingerbitch:

I feel like I always have to pick pro-life (which as far as I’m informed usually means either no abortion period or only in very life-threatening cases) or pro-choice (which usually means I can have an abortion because its my body). But what if I’m in the middle? I don’t think that abortion should be a total free-for-all-its-my-body-so-there but I don’t think it should just be restricted to I’m-gonna-die (I’m looking at you oh gray haired male politicians in suits). I think it should be in cases where its life threatening, in cases of rape (the girl/woman went though enough horror she doesn’t need to pay for pregnancy and go through labour and have her body messed up and have this little reminder in her tummy for 9 months I’d probably commit suicide if it were me so women who go through that I seriously applaud you how do you do it?) and in cases where a woman is in poverty and is unable to pay for proper medical care (this harms both mother and baby). Also I don’t believe (now idk the exact laws on this) that a woman should ever be forced to keep her baby. However, I don’t know how you can decide in the case of a medical emergency. There have been several cases where a woman needed an abortion in a place where they were only allowed in medical emergencies, the doctor said “oh you’re fine” and she dies like 4 hours later or something like that. You don’t always have the time to get a second, third, etc opinion but at the same time having only one opinion can put the mother in grave danger if the doctor happens to be a crap doctor. So would this put me as pro-life or pro-choice?

This is why these simplified labels and national surveys just don’t work. People start divvying up their beliefs based on individual circumstances or categories, and the binary of “pro-choice vs. pro-life” falls apart.

The medical emergency laws are also why politicians need to stop involving themselves in the health care field. They’re not professionals, and doctors and patients don’t have time to parse the legal code while they’re trying to save a life.

It would be worth thinking about why you believe what you do. What makes a victim of rape more worthy of this reproductive choice than a student who wants to finish college, or a couple who doesn’t want more children? Is simply not wanting to be pregnant and have a baby not enough? Do you really think there would be a “free-for-all” if there were no restrictions, or do you think most people would choose the simpler option of birth control if the right method were affordable and easily accessed?

What’s the difference between the situations you believe are acceptable, and the ones you think are not?

Those questions will probably help you clarify what you believe :)

May 20 '14

The idea that abortion harms self-esteem and mental health has been the driving force behind many abortion restrictions, such as waiting periods, forced ultrasounds, and mandated anti-abortion counseling.

Using data from the Turnaway Study, which examines what happens to people who get abortions compared to people who are denied abortions (turnaways), researchers found that this commonly-held belief has little basis in reality.

May 20 '14

Anonymous asked:

I guess I just feel weird about it, and about their motivations in becoming a midwive or an OB- I mean, if you're pro abortion, why would you help pregnant women give birth? I get them becoming an abortionist, logically, but just... I don't understand them being a midwife or OB. And it makes me so uncomfortable I can't ask mine outright where she stands, because idk how much I can trust her with my baby's life.

kerbiemarie:

harley-rose25:

kerbiemarie:

misandry-mermaid:

lolatprolife:

prolife21:

I completely agree with you there, and I see what you’re saying. A pro-life OB or midwife would value your baby’s life better than a pro-abortion one.

What a crock of shit.

Midwives are medical professionals and as such they have a duty to make sure the pregnant person goes through a safe birth.

A pro choice midwife would understand that this person has CHOSE to have this child, and would endeavour to make it as safe as possible.

Such outrageous bullshit, you talk. - Leigh

My mom is a pro-choice midwife.
She’s delivered thousands of babies. She has witnessed countless times how emotionally and physically challenging/exhausting it is to be pregnant for nine months and give birth. She’s been there for mental breakdowns, panic attacks, health scares, abusive relationships, extreme poverty, medical emergencies, and even deaths. That’s why she’s pro-choice. Because it’s such an intensely difficult experience for people with wanted pregnancies. Forcing someone to go through that process when they don’t even want to is BARBARIC.

I don’t usually talk about this on Tumblr, but my doctor when I was pregnant was pro-life. When my very, very wanted pregnancy ended in miscarriage, she refused to give me the necessary procedure when I was hemorrhaging because it was “too close to an abortion” for her comfort. The procedure was a d&c, which is sometimes necessary if your body has trouble, which I did, because I have a back-tilting uterus. I ended up having emergency surgery at the hands of a more competent doctor, and multiple blood transfusions. The competent doctor was close to tears when evaluating me, and kept saying “I can’t believe she let it get this bad, a few more hours of bleeding and you could have died.” What was already a terrible time for me because I was losing a baby turned into an absolute nightmare, and I almost lost my life. So even though my pregnancy didn’t end in abortion, my doctor’s pro-life level of comfort for a procedure she deemed “close to abortion” (which, it’s not, a d&c has nothing to do with abortion), was placed above my own safety. So think again if you believe a pro-life doctor will handle your pregnancy better than a pro-choice one.

Omg kerbie, that’s literally one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever heard. Did you take any legal action against this doctor? She needs to have her medical license revoked.

We’re currently still trying to take legal action. I’ve had talks with lawyers, and unfortunately I live in a very Republican state so technically what she did wasn’t illegal. That’s what is so terrifying about this. Everyone assumes if a doctor nearly kills a patient, you should be able to sue for malpractice or incompetence. But you can’t, because now doctors are under the protection of these pro-life laws popping up.

Her pro-life stance was also the cause of my miscarriage, but I can’t do anything about that either. I had a medical disorder which she tested for and then lied about the results, telling me my “pregnancy must have made it go away.” Because pregnancy is magical? I stupidly believed her because I thought, she’s a doctor, she must know better than I do. Having this disorder while pregnant can cause minor birth defects. However, untreated completely, can also cause miscarriage. In my state, it is completely legal for a doctor to lie or withhold information if it might cause the mother to seek out an abortion. Basically, she thought if I knew I had this disorder, I might get an abortion. So she lied.

I feel like I could write an entire book about everything this doctor did, which I didn’t second guess because I was naive and thought a doctor would do her job. But this is why the pro-life movement is harmful. I wanted my baby. My husband and I deliberately tried for one, upgraded to a 2 bedroom apartment, went to ultrasound appointments all excited and holding hands. All I have left are stacks of medical bills and a second bedroom, empty except for boxes of baby things, with a door that’s always shut. I don’t even know how to put into words what I went through, and every part of it was directly tied to my doctor’s political views. This could have happened to anyone. Pro-life, pro-choice. If you’re pregnant, your life is in danger, thanks to the environment of ignorance and lies their pro-“life” movement has cultivated.

For those who don’t know, doctors can lie to their pregnant patients in states with “wrongful birth laws.” Basically, they get to prioritize their ideology over doing their jobs and caring for the health of their patients.

So pro-life.

May 19 '14
"…as important as politics are to me, the life and the spirit of people’s emotions are much more important. People live real lives where they love and grieve and feel pain and joy and that is a whole separate sphere. All that political stuff, I believe in it strongly, but not as strongly as I believe that at some point you or someone is going to need a song to sit with and comfort them in a hard time."

What’s Got John Darnielle’s Goat?

John Darnielle of the Mountain Goats is an avid supporter of abortion rights. His music has also been incredibly meaningful for me and my friends, and he’s one of my very favorite people I’ve never met met once for 30 seconds. Listening to his songs feels like he’s right beside you, holding your hand, and shaking his fist along with you. 

I wonder if he’s ever heard of “pro-voice,” because this is exactly it.

May 18 '14

Anonymous asked:

I guess I just feel weird about it, and about their motivations in becoming a midwive or an OB- I mean, if you're pro abortion, why would you help pregnant women give birth? I get them becoming an abortionist, logically, but just... I don't understand them being a midwife or OB. And it makes me so uncomfortable I can't ask mine outright where she stands, because idk how much I can trust her with my baby's life.

kerbiemarie:

misandry-mermaid:

lolatprolife:

prolife21:

I completely agree with you there, and I see what you’re saying. A pro-life OB or midwife would value your baby’s life better than a pro-abortion one.

What a crock of shit.

Midwives are medical professionals and as such they have a duty to make sure the pregnant person goes through a safe birth.

A pro choice midwife would understand that this person has CHOSE to have this child, and would endeavour to make it as safe as possible.

Such outrageous bullshit, you talk. - Leigh

My mom is a pro-choice midwife.
She’s delivered thousands of babies. She has witnessed countless times how emotionally and physically challenging/exhausting it is to be pregnant for nine months and give birth. She’s been there for mental breakdowns, panic attacks, health scares, abusive relationships, extreme poverty, medical emergencies, and even deaths. That’s why she’s pro-choice. Because it’s such an intensely difficult experience for people with wanted pregnancies. Forcing someone to go through that process when they don’t even want to is BARBARIC.

I don’t usually talk about this on Tumblr, but my doctor when I was pregnant was pro-life. When my very, very wanted pregnancy ended in miscarriage, she refused to give me the necessary procedure when I was hemorrhaging because it was “too close to an abortion” for her comfort. The procedure was a d&c, which is sometimes necessary if your body has trouble, which I did, because I have a back-tilting uterus. I ended up having emergency surgery at the hands of a more competent doctor, and multiple blood transfusions. The competent doctor was close to tears when evaluating me, and kept saying “I can’t believe she let it get this bad, a few more hours of bleeding and you could have died.” What was already a terrible time for me because I was losing a baby turned into an absolute nightmare, and I almost lost my life. So even though my pregnancy didn’t end in abortion, my doctor’s pro-life level of comfort for a procedure she deemed “close to abortion” (which, it’s not, a d&c has nothing to do with abortion), was placed above my own safety. So think again if you believe a pro-life doctor will handle your pregnancy better than a pro-choice one.

I’m SO glad you’re okay, wow.

And you’re not the only person this has happened to. A woman in Washington had her second pregnancy put in danger by her Catholic hospital’s mismanagement of her first miscarriage because they “valued” her fetus’ life over her own. Or "Janet," who almost died because her fetus’ heart was still beating while she was bleeding to death. And we all heard about the late Savita Halappanavar in Ireland, where abortion is illegal.

I don’t know if these people think pro-choice midwives are secretly performing abortions on their patients or what, but there are documented cases of what happens when “pro-life” ideology clashes with medical reality, so…

May 18 '14
"It was still pre-Roe v. Wade, and I had a good friend who had an unplanned pregnancy…We searched around, and I never knew the name ‘til many years later ‘cause it was so secret. But somehow we found if we got on the road to Chicago, and we went to an apartment building, and we waited there for a phone call, and then we went out and got in a car and were blindfolded to ride to someplace else…but my friend got a safe abortion. At least, as far as her own personal health consequences were, she had good health after that. And so we were lucky that we got in the right channel. That also then contributed to this incipient activism, like “Why is this happening to me, to my friend? This is wrong!”"
Marilyn Cohen, the first Director of Iowa’s Emma Goldman Clinic, founded in 1973.